This remark that I put up in an earlier post:
Andisheh’s opening write-up sounds to me like Ken Edelstein told him to write something to “piss off the kids and get them reading this goddamn thing.â€Â
Was meant as snark, not as a serious accusation. I had no idea Ken and Andisheh would take it seriously, so I apologize to them for saying something that clearly was more hurtful than it was intended to be.
UPDATE: Upon re-reading the article and noticing this line, which is a transparent request to send traffic their way and to stir shit up elsewhere:
If you think we missed some important local bloggers, we want you to comment on our blog, CLFreshLoaf.com, or maybe write something really bitchy on your own blog. With all the bitchy stuff we write about other people on our blogs, it would only be fair.
And reading Andy’s comment in this thread on Joeventures where he owns up to doing as his superiors told him:
I wrote the story and agree with the picks, but they weren’t just my favorites. They’re five of CL’s favorites.
To be very specific, they’re five of the editorial and online department’s favorites. Before I started soliticiting suggestions, I didn’t know that Gloria Brame’s blog or I Saw It On Ponce existed.
I’m rescinding my apology. I don’t think it was an at-all unreasonable thing to say.
Both Andy and Ken got very indignant at that accusation in private emails we exchanged. I really did mean it as snark originally and not as a serious accusation. Had it been meant seriously originally, it would have been unfair of me to make, given that I’ve never met either of them and don’t know them from anything but their writing. But I’ll be damned if it didn’t turn out to be true.
UPDATE 2: In case it wasn’t clear earlier, Andy denies he wrote the article specifically for the purpose of being inflammatory. He said in an email conversation that he stands by his assessment of the blogosphere as “dim,” and that to suggest they would willfully ignore something significant going on for the sake of stirring a hornet’s nest is false.
Ken went as far in an email as to suggest that charge as “defaming” him. Ken didn’t actually edit the article, so if someone wants to take my quote literally, there could be a flimsy case for that somewhere. However, as I’ve already said, the quote wasn’t meant to be taken literally.
Decide for yourself. I have trouble believing that an article using the terms “dim,” “heads up their asses,” and “write something pissy on your blog” could be designed for any other purpose than to get a rise out of people.
Regardless, the whole episode shows an incredible lack of imagination on Creative Loafing’s part. Instead of writing a cheeky little article slagging on a group of people for criteria they often don’t even judge themselves by, they should be thinking of ways to put those people to work for them. They already write for free, and with a little direction and a project to be involved in, they could be doing some legwork for the paper. Instead, they’ve made enemies. Their prerogative. Like I wrote to Andy in an email, “Keep fiddling Nero.”






It all went down exactly as (Ken Edelstein) planned. Andy, or Dude Formerly Known As Andy But Now Called Ken “Lap Dance” Edelstein’s Bitch, confirms all in comment section here:
http://atlmalcontent.typepad.com/atlmalcontent/2007/05/many_blogs_are_.html
Ooops wrong comments section. The comments section where Andy ‘fesses up to having to bend over whenever Ken says so is actually in the comments section here:
http://www.joeventures.com/archives/385#comments
Hmm. Will reconsider the matter in the morning, as I have had my fill of this bullshit for the day.
Give it a few seconds to load up, but check this out:
http://lanewslink.com/
Ya know… I don’t know who’s the most shameful folk down south right now, Andy and Ken, or that father and son team who “enclosure hunted” poor stupid Fred, or Hogzilla.
It is a sorry day in hell when journalists like Doug Monroe, who at this point in a fine career, should be running papers, are run out of town, and the papers are left to be run into the ground by the likes of Ken Edelstein and Julia Wallace.
Then again, with arrogant, clueless jerks like them in charge of papers, we have nothing to fear. They’ll only help steer an entire industry right into the ground… just like a lot of aging dinos did with the music industry. As if all the people watching ‘em crash and burn, here on the ground going digital, could care less.
I hope they don’t ask us to come and haul their derisive, dismissive, divisive, arrogant butts out of the wreckage either… we’ve got new media product to keep on cranking.
Rusty-
This is what I wrote on Joeventures:
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“I wrote the story and agree with the picks, but they weren’t just my favorites. They’re five of CL’s favorites.
To be very specific, they’re five of the editorial and online department’s favorites. Before I started soliticiting suggestions, I didn’t know about Gloria Brame’s blog or I Saw It On Ponce.
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I’ll reiterate and elaborate so there’s no misunderstanding.
I sent out an e-mail to the editorial and online departments asking them for blog suggestions. I also met with co-workers face-to-face and asked about their favorite blogs. Of the five profilees, two (Gloria and Ponce) were bloggers I had not heard of before my solicitations.
Yes, I looked beyond the bookmarks in my browswer for good blogs to profile. Do you honestly have a problem with that?
As for the line in the introduction about bitchy comments, get ready for a shocking revelation — it was a joke.
I employed humor to invite feedback. Are you gonna report me to the Poynter Institute for crimes against earnestness?
We’d like readers to respond to every story. As a blogger with a comments section, I’m surprised the concept seems so alien to you.
If you continue to misrepresent how the story was conceived, or falsely insist that I, Ken Edelstein, or anyone else calculated the wording of the story to tick people off, so be it. Falsehoods on your blog only reflect badly on you and the commenters who agree with them.
And one final note.
Ken was not the editor of the story. I know that’s going to disappoint Grayson. She’s going to have to spend all day re-writing her pee-pee-poo-poo jokes about me and Ken.
See you tonight!
Andy
Oh there’s plenty to go around for everyone.
What I have a problem with, Andy, is the assertion that assessing an entire scene as “dim” in a major publication was anything other than a calculated attempt to stir up a hornet’s nest. Plainly, that’s bullshit and I think you read enough and hear enough that you know it.
Your argument that because there are a lot of shitty blogs out there that an entire scene should be condemned as “dim” is weak.
There are a lot of shitty bands in Nashville, Tenn. Most, I’d say. There were a lot of shitty bands in Seattle in the 90s. There are a lot of shitty movies at the Cannes Film Festival (or the Atlanta Film Festival, for that matter).
To condemn any of those things as “dim” would be inaccurate.
Now, Cannes the Atlanta blogosphere isn’t, but there’s enough going on here that to characterize it as “dim” is also inaccurate.
More than 200 people showed up to both SoCon and PodCamp, for example. Contrary to your inaccurate assessment, there is original content coming from more places than just Peach Pundit. Joseph’s Dorablog and EAV Buzz, for example.
Even in cases where the content isn’t original, there have been several occasions where legislation was influenced by what was said on blogs, where politicians have had to answer questions that folks writing for publications such as yours are either slower to ask or don’t ask at all. And your publication is clearly doing everything it can to adopt many of the things we were doing long before it ever even occured to you to try them.
Brass tacks: there is a symbiotic relationship between what comes up on blogs that you, I believe, are willfully ignoring in an effort to stir up shit.
And there are plenty of people who know all about the pee and poo poo Ken lays all over CL. Lord knows, he’s been at it for so long, we could stay up for meth-laden weeks and not get to half of ‘em.
Andy hon, you hang around this town long as I have, you’ll have a few of your OWN real big boy stories to share one day too. Let’s just hope you learn to spin one as good as the old timers.
You’ll have to practice on your own, off of the CL farm though. Hard too, given the state of your cutesy-pie little hipster-boy-reporter writing style. I suggest a nice multimedia approach myself. Just so you don’t get held too far back by those icky ugly dinos ’round there. I’m sure you can handle that.
There’s meth?
No dumb ass… just metaphors! Get back to the field, Jethro.
Are you getting in a fight tonight, Rusty?
I appreciate the kind words, but just for the record, Ken Edelstein has tried very hard in recent days to keep me in Atlanta so I could move my news and political blog from Atlanta Magazine to Creative Loafing. Currently, I am a freelance writer and do the blog and a print column for Atlanta Magazine on a contract basis. Atlanta Magazine was unable to offer me a job with benefits. Ken was trying to do that. Ken and I have become good friends. I thanked him for his efforts, but ultimately I decided to accept the offer to become a NYC Teaching Fellow. This is a prestigious fellowship — they only accept about 10 percent of the applicants. I was shocked when I was selected. For me, it’s an adventure. So I’m not being run out of town — I’m just not making much of a living here. I really want do something else beside write about the stuff I’ve been writing about since 1988. But I think it’s important to note that Ken Edelstein, over the years, has turned Creative Loafing into a serious journalistic enterprise. It simply wasn’t before he became editor. Look at the work Mara Shalhoup has done with Ken’s encouragement — she was named journalist of the year in Atlanta.
Andisheh was at my going-away party Saturday night. I remember when Andy came to me years ago and told me he wanted to be a writer and a photographer. I wasn’t particularly helpful and told him how hard it is to pursue that sort of career. But he has astonished me with his success. The hardest part of being a writer today is being able to take the beating you get from critics — as the rudeness of radio talk shows filters its way through society.
I’m got friends on both sides of this controversy. I’m very sorry to have seen it erupt over a story that involved me.
Doug Monroe
If Andy’s writing is “a success” then I’m the Duchess of Windsor. And what a hag she was. I hate it hate it hate it when people allow reality to intrude on a good story. Being run out of town was so much more, uh, interesting. All the best, nonetheless.
I think the best summation was given by jt in comments at my blog, who isn’t a blogger at all:
Oh and I still can’t get over the “defamed” thing. Let’s come back down to Earth, okay?
A third possibility that the great jt might have missed is that a reader may think that Andy is spot on and the truth hurts.
…considers….
Nope.
Because I am no better than a room full of monkeys with typewriters, I have come up with a list of my own:
1. Why is Grayson so mad?
2. What is Grayson not telling us as to why she’s so mad at Ken and Andy? One or both of these guys must’ve been really mean to her over at some point.
3. Should the parasites really be looking forward to the day when their host dies?
4. Can’t we all just get along?
5. Why doesn’t anyone acknowledge the Andy is a blogger himself and that his mild criticism (a very small piece of a much larger story) hurts more because it’s coming from inside the family?
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