Independence Day approaches, and we’re in the danger zone of overinflated patriotism. Can one be too patriotic? This post and comment exchange at Peach Pundit lead me to conclude that indeed, one can love one’s country too much.
The article concerns a Mike Luckovich cartoon depicting American soldiers training Al Qaeda members to torture. The cartoon was–in an unfortunate and hurtful editing decision the paper should apologize for–printed on the same page as a photo showing two American soldiers brutally killed in Iraq. The printing of the cartoon itself has drawn outrage from some on the right, who insist the paper should be reprimanded for allowing such content–and not surprisingly, due to its being highlighted on right-wing RedState, the cartoon received an unlikely number of negative votes.
The cartoon brings some questions and issues to light:
- Can one be patriotic and also critical of his country’s strategy?
- What limits–if any–should define American reaction to terrorism?
- What limits–if any–should there be on free speech?
- What’s the goal of the “war” on terror? And is the fight against terror really a war?
Americans are fighting what the government calls a “war” on terror–a fight which, as you may rightfully conclude from my enlcosing the word in quotes, I do not believe to really be a war. Military action, sure–not a war. President Bush described the enemy on September 20, 2001:
Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber — a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms — our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.
This explanation ignores history and distorts the truth about our enemy. No-one should take Osama Bin Laden as an unintelligent or uneducated man–and his letter to America in 2002 states the truth clearly within the context of history. It begins–begins!!–with a profoundly simple statement:
“Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine…The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals.”
Though the letter expresses many other concerns, the first three reasons listed in this letter concern Israel–and for Americans to ignore that many Muslims resent America’s involvement in the creation of the state of Israel is equivalent to burying our heads in the sand and ignoring what we do not wish to hear. If one attempts to reconcile the statements of Bush and Bin Laden, one could conclude:
- America is exercising its freedoms in its support of Israel;
- Muslims do not believe America has the right to interfere in Palestine on behalf of the Israelis;
- therefore, Muslims are fighting against American freedom.
This presents a serious problem, as both sides of the fight see the other as the instigator. The truth is, suggesting as the administration does that “9/11 changed everything” is misleading. 9/11 was a reaction to American foreign policy. It’s encouraging to see the possibility of an agreement between Palestine and Israel, as a two-state solution is probably the only thing which could potentially quiet the storm. Sadly, considering the reality of the situation, our current strategy of aggressively attacking terrorists is only perceived as continued instigation by our enemy.
The fact is that we CAN NOT win this war of ideology *against terrorism* while our leadership fights AGAINST restrictions on interrogation methods such as waterboarding, as well as against restrictions on renditions. We must be beyond reproach in this war–and if it weren’t for freaks like Cheney arguing that we shouldn’t limit our methods, maybe people’s impression of incidents like Abu Gharib or (the alleged) Haditha would BE as an Exception, rather than as policy approved from above.
If we are going to continue blatantly ignoring the fact that our enemy considers the creation of Israel as the starting point of the conflict, the best we can do is to make it clear that we’ll only go after those who are actively attacking our citizens. A “pre-emptive war” strategy only increases the degree to which we’re seen as instigators, and that strategy is therefore outside the limits we must set for ourselves if we are to ever “win” this conflict.
It is within that framework that the freedom of Americans to question their nation’s strategy becomes obvious. First, if we are truly fighting for Freedom, it is hypocritical to suggest that those who disagree should be silenced. Second, the strategy by which we fight terror–and the goal of such a fight–is precisely what needs to be collectively determined. Leadership is naiive to think that they can set a strategy and expect everyone to follow behind in suit just because they’re “supposed to.” When people define patriotism as mindless support of one’s country, and criticize as traitors anyone who dissents, what they’re really doing is confusing patriotism with nationalism.
Nationalism–in this context–is the view that one country is superior to another. Many forms of this viewpoint exist in America–from simply ignoring the other side’s perspective and framing it only from one’s own perspective, to a view of exceptionalism or even “manifest Destiny.” For us to position ourselves as the morally superior culture–and the only ones standing up for what is “right,” much like Christianity and Islam both claim to be the only true faith–amounts to a nationalistic view that encourages fanatical viewpoints such as support for a flag-burning amendment to the Constitution.
Putting boundaries on the degree to which one can disagree with his country–or what a newspaper may print or report–is a betrayal of freedom, ironic in a fight against what we obscure as “the enemies of freedom.” The free press that reports what government does in the people’s name–remembering that in America, the government derives its power from the people–encourages Americans to actively set the boundaries its government can work within in the name of the people. Those who print provocative cartoons also encourage people to consider to what ends we are willing to go in our quest to fight terror. In both cases, arguments to silence these voices are entirely counter-productive.






Glad to see that you polished the rough draft that made up most of your comments on Peach Pundit yesterday. This is much better.
That said, I have to disagree with a couple of points. First, you and I have a difference of opinion over the Luckovich cartoon. You say it depicted Americans training Al Quaeda in methods of torture, but I believe it shows an American arguing about which particular torture methods are permissible -making the visual assertion that all torture is the same, and that America is just like (meaning “the same as†or “no better thanâ€Â) Al Qaeda. The cartoon was titled “Pot to Kettle,†which I think is evidence in favor of my interpretation, but it’s only a goddam cartoon, so we could both be wrong. That’s the trouble with cartoons –they’re not arguments. They’re not logical, nor are they sequential. Cartoonists can be vague and hide behind “I wanted to provoke the discussion,†which allows their work to be the result of lazy thought. Cartoons are like graffiti, and that’s about the level of intellectual heft they carry. So I’m going to keep a sense of perspective.
Luckovich does those things 3 or 4 days ahead, so I don’t believe he knew about the torture and butchering of the two US soldiers when he drew the panel. If they still do newspaper layout the way they used to, then he didn’t know that “Pot to Kettle†was going to run above the photos of the two murdered US soldiers. But even giving him the benefit of the doubt about having that much basic decency does not excuse the cartoon for what it is. Luckovich drew a cartoon that got the facts wrong; defamed the US military and gave arguably enough aid and comfort to the enemy to be damn close to treason, if it wasn’t outright. He betrayed his nation and the Constitution. That’s quite an accomplishment for a single cartoon.
I not advocating any limits on free speech. Luckovich should be as free to draw whatever he wants, the editors at a paper should be free to publish whatever they want. But I and any other American are just as free to criticize their drawings and their publishing choices. My freedom of speech is just as important as Luckovich’s. Publishing a newspaper does not bestow freedom from criticism.
It does bestow great responsibilities, however, the first being to get it right. Not just mostly right, or right most of the time, but to get it 100% right, every time you publish. There is no greater responsibility, because the farther away from accurate a newspaper gets, the less seriously the public takes them; the less seriously the public takes them, the less important the right to publish anything becomes.
Getting it right means publishing accurate things, and things that say “America is the same as al-Quaeda†are not accurate. It’s astonishing that I have to make that argument to anyone. Renditions, sleep deprivation, panties on the head and even waterboarding are fundamentally, qualitatively different things than sawing off a soldiers head with a knife, or cutting off their genitals and stuffing them in their mouths or mutilating and booby-trapping their bodies. Do I really have to argue that? Are you actually going to make the case that discomfort and humiliation are in the same category as deliberately brutal butchery? Even if you think they are, you can not argue with the survival rate of the jihadist prisoners in American custody vs. the survival rate of American prisoners in jihadist custody. If they are captured by the Americans, most jihadists live. If American soldiers are captured, 100% of them die, most after being tortured. So we are not a pot on one side and a kettle on the other; America is different, and better, than the terrorists.
That is what Luckovich got wrong in his cartoon, inasmuch as one can get something as crude and stupid as a cartoon “wrong.†We are not “morally equivalent†to al-Quaeda –not even at our very worst. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact, and getting it wrong was a betrayal of the trust of the First Amendment. Getting it wrong is an insult to every soldier who doesn’t fire early, doesn’t target women or children, or who gives medical treatment to a wounded enemy combatant. That is, nearly all of them. Getting it wrong gives delight to an enemy who can understand propaganda in a cartoon even if they can’t read English. Luckovich got it wrong. He shat on the American military, and wiped his ass with the Constitution. So if he doesn’t like being criticized as unpatriotic, maybe he’ll try a little harder and get it right next time.
I have one question and one suggestion for you: Why do you believe what Osama bin Laden says, and disbelieve what Bush says? When bin Laden writes in 2002 that he fights and opposes us because we “attacked them in Palestine,†you accept the statement at face value. But when Bush says “they hate Democracy,†you say he’s “ignoring history and distorting the truth about our enemy.†(And you wonder why people think liberals are not patriotic!) Seriously, though, you really should be as just suspicious of statements from OBL as you are of those from GWB. If you look into it, you will see that bin Laden made almost no statements about the Palestinians prior to 9/11. It was after 9/11 that they became a concern of al Quaeda. The reason is that every enemy of the US enjoys political power in their home country in part because of how they stand up to the United States. bin Laden, Hussein, Ahmadinejad –hell, even Hugo Chavez created his own political power by being anti-US. After 9/11, bin Laden was a hero to the average Arab in the street, and used the Palestinians to try to become a de-facto caliph for all Arabs. To put it in Western terms, he was trying to accumulate his political capital. That’s why they hate us. It helps them politically.
Mike, if I had a nickel for every time I heard “aid and comfort to the enemy” and “treason” from a war jingo… It’s starting to sound like The Boy Who Called Treason.
Like you said, it’s a goddamn cartoon. The U.S. government gave a lot more “aid and comfort” than that in the 80s to both Iraq and bin Laden in the way of arms sales to the former and combat training to the latter. Where were the calls to ring up Reagan on treason charges then (and to disown his legacy now)?
Rusty, if I had a nickel for every time I heard those folks who hate America blame Reagan for stuff they just don’t understand… Well, neither one of us would have to go to work.
It’s hard to commit treason with a cartoon, which is why I said “arguably” and “damn close.”
But as far as arms sales to Iraq in the 80s and combat training for bin Laden and the mujahadeen, so what? The world was a different place then. The enemy was the Soviet Union, a nation that had invaded Afghanistan. I’d love to give Reagan all the credit for defeating them there, but he must share it with Rep. Charlie Wilson, a Texas Democrat who used his position on appropriations to open the money spigot to Afghanistan. He had to force the CIA to get moving on Afghanistan, and it nearly didn’t work. (There’s a great book about it, Charlie Wilson’s War, by George Crile.)
As far as arming Iraq, that was the same principle: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yes, the US was short-sighted in failing to realize that Iran was and is a smarter and more determined long-term enemy than Iraq. But it was at the time in America’s interest to prolong the Iran-Iraq war. So arms to either side would have been neither aid nor comfort to the enemy.
Mike, thanks for your level headed input. Your interpretation of “Pot to Kettle” could well be correct, but I still stand by the assertion that they have a right to print it. I’d give some level of agreement to your suggestion that it defamed the military, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it treason. That word is used far too often on both sides these days. It’s just a goddamn cartoon.
That said, it’s perfectly within your rights to disagree with it or criticize it, just as it’s mine to disagree with your assertion that it’s treason.
I don’t claim that the Abu Gharib humiliation pictures are equivalent to cold blooded murder. I do suggest that some of our positions on extreme methods show that we will go to some extremes to accomplish our goals; in the Muslim mind, killing infidels is the same thing–an extreme method to accomplish a goal. Yes their extremes are farther out and more immoral than ours (by our standards) but they’re extremes nonetheless.
Further, I’d urge you to consider that–assuming for the sake of argument the equivalence in Luckovich’s cartoon–that the drawing of one soldier does not represent the entire American military. It could be said to represent “the bad apples.” That said, the bad apples are the ones that get noticed.
Finally, why believe Bin Laden and not Bush? Bush is rarely candid or complete, and there’s an established tradition of secretivity in the Bush administration. I don’t consider him fully trustworthy. Bin Laden’s letters are actually quite cogent and coherent, contrary to what we’re told (that they’re the “writings of a lunatic”). I don’t have any reason to doubt this assertion on his part; others, I do doubt and/or ignore.
Mike, one bit of pre-9/11 info for you–from OBL’s declaration of Jihad in 1996:
“Today we work from the same mountains to lift the iniquity that had been imposed on the Ummah by the Zionist-Crusader alliance, particularly after they have occupied the blessed land around Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet (ALLAH’S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) and the land of the two Holy Places.”
The phrase “particularly after they have occupied…Jerusalem”–followed by reference to Jerusalem as the path of the Prophet and home to the two Holy Places on the Temple Mount–leads me to believe Jerusalem, and therefore Israel, was of primary importance back in 1996.
I don’t think his opinion changed on or after 9/11.
So are you saying Rusty hates America? WTF?
I am getting pretty sick and tired of people trotting out that whole, “You disagree with [X]? You hate America!!” BS. It’s childish at best.
That’s what I got from it. If that’s the case, Mike, then fuck you buddy. If not, well, fuck you twice for implying it without coming straight out and saying it.
And JP, you shouldn’t feel the need to kiss people’s asses who throw around casual accusations of treason.
Amber-
You’re just crushing my dissent. Hah. I’m not saying that Rusty hates America any more than he’s saying I’m a “war jingo.” I’m curious, though, is there ANY statement that could take the place of [X] that would prove that someone hates America? Like, “You disagree with freedom of speech, or of the press? You hate America!!” I mean, that would be true, wouldn’t it?
JP-
Sorry, but assuming sincerity on the part of the enemy and duplicity on the part of your own government is just, well, dammit, unpatriotic! There, I said it. Please notice that I only request that you afford our enemies the same skepticism you show our President. I’m not asking you to blindly trust everything he stutters, err, says.
But more important than being unpatriotic, that viewpoint is naive. You will be manipulated by our enemies if you trust what they say to be sincere, let alone accurate.
I claim no expertise on the Muslim mind. But any highly suspicious person might conclude that a letter that begins “We’re fighting because you attacked us,” might be trying to create a moral equivalence between two causes. He’d have to work especially hard to do so if that moral equivalence didn’t exist. It would work, sometimes. Just because someone is a lunatic doesn’t mean they’re stupid.
I am HIGHLY uncomfortable equating any statement of ideological disagreement with “hating America.” Contrary to the founding principles of the U.S.? Sure. But I don’t toss the word hate around lightly.
Mike (and Rusty!) I’m not out to impress anyone or to conform to the Republican Party’s definition of what’s patriotic. I call things like I see them, and try to maintain my composure about it.. too many people yelling and screaming on both sides these days, in my opinion.
Just a thought about Israel–does it not occur to you that if America weren’t so active in the Middle East, that we would not be perceived as the meddlers we’re now considered–and maybe they wouldn’t hate our “way of life”? I’m just suggesting instead of this meaningless vague language Bush uses, we identify what exactly is responsible. Do you really think they care whether I’m free to buy whatever brand of shoes I want? “Freedom” is too freaking vague. It’s our “freedom” to manage Middle Eastern geopolitics.
(That doesn’t even touch on our tendency to consume vast quantities of natural resources and use them thoughtlessly in giant vehicles to get from our exurban houses to our central city jobs, etc. etc.–as enabled by our guidance of Middle Eastern geopolitics. That part of our “Way of life” doesn’t impress many people either)
That’s my opinion, of course–if you disagree, how would you put “they hate us for our freedom” into actual meaningful words that people can react to clearly?
Amber, I’m with you there completely–this mindless “treason” and “anti-American” crap has got to stop.
“That’s my opinion, of course–if you disagree, how would you put “they hate us for our freedom†into actual meaningful words that people can react to clearly?”
That’s easy…..porn.
“Amber, I’m with you there completely–this mindless “treason†and “anti-American†crap has got to stop.”
It won’t. It will continue until progressives find a better way to package thoughts to the dumb masses.
patriotism, freedom, & nationalism…
Here is an excellent post over at Rusty’s Radical GA Moderate. Be sure to read the comments, where the arguement/discussion gives the post a bunch of extra spark.
There’s no doubt I’m a liberal. When I read discussions like this, I …
Rusty, just wanted to thank you for a fantastic post & discussion. This was the best read of my day. Fantastic!
You’re welcome Chase, though it should be noted that JP actually wrote this post and I just hosted it.
Heh, I guess that’s the upside to people not looking at bylines (since this was, for the longest time, a single-author blog) - you get all of the credit with none of the work!
Except, you know, you give credit where credit’s due, because you have structural integrity.